Comments on: New rules for gender?

By: Being Constructive About the Independent on Sunday Pink List – Practical Androgyny

Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:03:36 +0000

[...] Transgender Working Group. Sarah was instrumental (along with Zoe O’Connell) in influencing Lib Dem MP Julian Huppert to raise the issue of gender neutral documentation such as passports in th…. Something that will be vitally important to many nonbinary, genderqueer, transgender and gender [...]

By: Shirley Anne

Shirley Anne — Sat, 24 Sep 2011 13:57:30 +0000

Spansexual you would probably complain if an E was on your passport too I imagine, love

Shirley Anne x

By: spansexual

spansexual — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 00:25:11 +0000

Shirley, no matter how many times you insist that even eunuchs must be identified as male or female, that doesn’t change the truth that for many those markers are not applicable, and you do violence to them in insisting they call themselves what you decide they must be called. I am a eunuch, but i am not just male, for i have a vagina. I look like a man when clothed, but every inch of my skin is feminine to the touch. Either/or just does not apply, and you can gainsay that till the cows come home, but nothing you say will take away from the legal right i now enjoy to not be stuck in anyone else’s ideas about what sex I’m allowed to be.

By: Carka

Carka — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:21:50 +0000

Binary privilege, much?

By: Gillian

Gillian — Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:26:45 +0000

The X or null marker tends to make you stand out with no advantage compared with having a male passport in male name, whilst traveling in female name and female clothes and hair. Still have to explain the difference. What’s required is the ability to have a passport in each gender. The IPS were offering an ID card in both genders till the scheme was scrapped. It is possible to have 2 passports in the same gender to overcome visa difficulties.
Gillian

By: Zoe Ellen Brain

Zoe Ellen Brain — Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:27:23 +0000

Ask them which they’d be least uncomfortable with?

By: Zoe Ellen Brain

Zoe Ellen Brain — Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:26:17 +0000

Hi Shirley.

I’m Intrersex, and I identify as female.

But I know plenty of Intersex people who don’t identify as either M or F, and have bodies to back that identification up.

To force them to lie about who they are, especially in a context where they can be prosecuted for making false statements, is wrong.

By: Shirley Anne

Shirley Anne — Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:30:39 +0000

Simple answer to that one is to have them both as markers. You said it yourself, you cannot be limited to one choice or the other. Having both would truly reflect your position don’t you think? Your social identification or preferences do not preclude the basic facts that you have either both genitals or none at all. The marker simply states a physical state. This is one reason I am opposed to more than the binary system we have in place.

Shirley Anne xxx

By: spansexual

spansexual — Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:51:48 +0000

Shirley, please respect that not all eunuchs identify as socially male or female. Nothing you say will change my reality. I, OTOH, can now have legal identification without pretending my being is limited by either of two very limiting boxes.

By: Shirley Anne

Shirley Anne — Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:40:39 +0000

An addendum to my post
The only problem I see with either having a null marker or a gender marker when your genitals don’t match is when a person is frisked for any reason at the control point. Does the person then have to declare out of decency that their genitals do not match their marker? Who then carries out the frisking?

Shirley Anne xxx